Impeachment

One-third of Americans support impeaching Obama. One-fifth don’t understand “impeachment.”

President Clinton thanks those Democratic members of the House who voted against impeachment in 1998 | (AP Photo/Susan Walsh, File)

Go figure…

The Washington Post – Chris Cillizza

For the casual observer (or enthusiastic partisan), a new poll from CNN / ORC International reveals a staggering point of data: one-third of the country, 33 percent, supports impeaching President Obama. That’s 100 million people (if we extrapolate those attitudes to children and so on)! Can he survive?

Yes, he can. As CNN itself points out, that figure is in line with public support for impeachment of Presidents George W. Bush and Bill Clinton during their time in office. In August 2006, a CNN poll found that 30 percent of Americans supported impeaching Bush. And in September 1998, 29 percent supported impeaching Clinton. A Post poll from that December had the figure even higher, at 39 percent.

 

 

There’s a good footnote to that data which we will get to in a second.

You will not be surprised to learn that attitudes on impeachment break down along party lines. Four times as many Republicans think Obama should be impeached as Democrats. Independent voters are slightly above the overall average.

 

You are not surprised by that for two reasons. The first is that you are familiar with the state of our nation’s polarized politics. The second is that you are probably familiar with the way that “impeachment” has become a sort of shorthand for “recall election.”

CNN asked respondents when they thought impeachment was appropriate. Eighteen percent said that it was appropriate “in order to express dissatisfaction with his policies or the way the president is handling his job.” That’s one-fifth of the country; some 60 million people (again including little kids for some reason).

 

 

 

Here’s what the Constitution says about impeachment, as a refresher.

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High crimes and misdemeanors are listed. Being mad about something is not. (KS – Emphasis are mine)

 

Now we come back to the footnote from above. Clinton was impeached (having admitted to committing a crime), but was not removed from office, because those are two different things. Impeachment has become something of a shorthand for “we need him gone,” but that’s not what the tool does. States and localities have recall elections, which are specific tools for removing officials from office for whatever reason the voters want. There are recall elections at the federal level, too. Unfortunately for voters in 1998 and 2006 and 2014, those recall elections (also known as reelection bids) had already occurred two years in the past.

Interestingly, in a search of news articles from President Reagan’s administration we couldn’t find polls on whether or not he should have been impeached. In December 1986, the Times polled on whether or not people thought Reagan was trustworthy and on administration officials pleading the Fifth in response to questions on the Iran-Contra scandal. But no question about impeachment. Shortly after, an opinion columnist writing for the paper argued that “[m]any think the president deserves impeachment.” That isn’t quantified.

None of which means that Obama won’t face impeachment. On Friday morning, adviser Dan Pfeiffer predicted that this was the path the House was headed down. We shall see.

Glenn Beck: ‘I Personally Am Calling for the Impeachment of the President of the United States’

Apparently, Glenn Beck is looking for attention again.

Mediaite

For the very first time, Glenn Beck called for President Obama to be impeached. Why? Because Beck believes that aiding al-Qaeda affiliated rebels in Syria by targeting the government is “the height of insanity” and illegality, and anyone seriously proposing that has to go.

Beck made it clear exactly who he wants gone and why.

“I personally am calling to impeach the President of the United States. This is impeachable. He is arming known terrorists, and people like John McCain should be impeached as well.”

He asked if arming a sworn enemy of the United States isn’t an impeachable offense, what he hell is? He made it clear this isn’t about politics, saying he wants people like McCain and Lindsay Graham to go too for lining up behind Obama on this.

Beck sighed, “We did not get into bed with Hitler to defeat Japan.”

Watch the video below, via BlazeTV:

Bill Flores: House ‘Would Probably’ Vote To Impeach Obama

TeaPublicans always talk about impeaching the president but no one seems to have any specific charges against President Obama.

The Huffington Post

Rep. Bill Flores (R-Texas) said he thinks the House of Representatives would vote to impeach President Barack Obama, BuzzFeed reports.

“I look at the president, I think he’s violated the Constitution,” Flores said at a town hall event on Thursday. “I think he’s violated the law. I think he’s abused his power but at the end of the day you have to say if the House decides to impeach him, if the House had an impeachment vote it would probably impeach the president.”

Flores noted that any efforts to impeach the president would likely fail in the Senate, and would also risk Rebublicans losing the speakership.

“If you try and fail are you willing to put Nancy Pelosi back in the Speakership. I’m not,” Flores said.

Flores is hardly the first Republican to bring up a potential Obama impeachment. In August, Sen. Tom Coburn (R-Okla.) warned President Barack Obama is “getting perilously close” to the standard for impeachment, and Rep. Blake Farenthold (R-Texas) made comments similar to Flores’.

“I’ll give you a real frank answer about that: If we were to impeach the president tomorrow, you could probably get the votes in the House of Representatives to do it. But it would go to the Senate, and he wouldn’t be convicted,” Farenthold told a constituent.

But not all Republicans are buying into the impeachment talk. Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal (R) denounced Republicans for saying Obama should be impeached, and Former Republican National Committee Chairman Michael Steele called impeachment comments “asinine.”

(h/t BuzzFeed)

On Day Stock Market Sets New Record, Conservative Group Floats Impeaching Obama For ‘Wrecking The Stock Market’

Credit:WND.com

I’ve often wondered just how weird the wacky Right-wing fringe groups have to get before their fellow Republicans (the semi-sane ones) say “Enough” ?

Think Progress

Today, the Dow Jones Industrial Average closed at 15,056, an all-time record. For one conservative group, this can only mean one thing: it’s time to impeach President Obama.

That was the message Capitol Hill Daily, a conservative publication based out of Baltimore, sent to Citizen United’s listserv today. They accused President Obama of “wreck[ing] the stock market” and asked readers to take a poll about whether he should be impeached as a result.

From the email:

Dear Concerned Reader,

Fearing the very worst, the nation’s super-rich are unloading their stocks at an alarming rate.

Even more troubling, the wealthiest 1% of Americans, who typically know the most, are the ones most anxious to sell.

You see, Obama just allowed 13 new tax increases to further slow the economy, wreck the stock market and make it even harder on the 12 million Americans already looking for work.

The bigger question is this…

Is Obama’s Latest Tax Screw Up Grounds For Impeachment?

See a screenshot below:

When Obama took office on January 20, 2009, the Dow Jones was at 7,949. Over the last 4 years, it has gone up approximately 90 percent before reaching a new high today.

It’s important to remember that the health of the stock market is very different from the health of the overall economy. Middle class wages are stagnating and millions are still unemployed or underemployed.

But when a conservative organization claims ignores reality in such a blatant way, one can’t help but quote former Rep. Barney Frank: “On what planet do you spend most of your time?

 

IMPEACHMENT MAY BE THE OBJECTIVE

PM Carpenter wisely suggests that the GOP never intended to pass any real debt ceiling bill but merely to stall until the President was forced to use the ‘nuclear option’…the 14th Amendment.

Remember, the congressional GOP have already sent out trial balloons saying they will start impeachment procedures if Obama uses the 14th amendment.  However, it looks like this was their plan all along.

P.M. Carpenter

This thought does occur.

It may be that congressional Republicans privately have removed brinkmanship from the table; that their revised plan is to ensure that no default-avoiding bill, under any circumstances — not even their own — shall emerge from Congress; and that a guaranteed default will thereby force President Obama to reluctantly exercise the Constitutional option next week, thus creating the grounds for another year-long distraction: impeachment.

He also mentions the Congressional GOP’s manipulations just to bring us to this point:

FORCING OBAMA’S HAND

A rather stunned Sen. Kent Conrad just reported on “The Last Word” that Mitch McConnell has informed Harry Reid that he intends to filibuster the Reid proposal. Needless to say, this maneuver collides with any workable solution to Congress’ self-imposed debt crisis prior to the default deadline.

I repeat my earlier speculation that congressional Republicans may be intentionally forcing President Obama into what the House will later maintain, in impeachment proceedings, was a usurpation.

From earlier today:

It may be that congressional Republicans privately have removed brinksmanship from the table; that their revised plan is to ensure that no default-avoiding bill, under any circumstances — not even their own — shall emerge from Congress; and that a guaranteed default will thereby force President Obama to reluctantly exercise the Constitutional option next week, thus creating the grounds for another year-long distraction: impeachment.

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Republican Rep. warns of Obama impeachment if GOP forces debt default

There’s no way one can take Rep. Steve King (R-IA) seriously on his threat.   It’s pure hyperbole and nothing more.  His tea party are the ones who implemented this mess by demanding not to raise the deficit under any circumstance and now he says if we default, which we surely will if the votes are not there to offset the 100+ Teabaggers who will not sign on to raise the debt ceiling,  then Obama will be impeached.

It’s like deliberately placing a bad teacher in a classroom then tell the kids if you fail you will pay the consequences.

WTF is wrong with these people?

Raw Story

A Republican member of the House of Representatives declared today that President Barack Obama could be impeached if the U.S. defaults on its debts.

The comment is from Rep. Steve King (R-IA), who told his followers on Twitter that they should “stop talking about” a potential U.S. default.

“The 1st dime of each $1 of revenue services debt,” he wrote. “Obama would be impeached if he blocked debt payments.”

The comment is ironic in that Republicans have played the largest role in pushing the U.S. government to the brink of defaulting on some debts by refusing to lift the nation’s debt ceiling.

Congressional Republicans raised the ceiling nine times during the Bush administration, adding over $4 trillion to the nation’s debts. President Obama, as a freshman Senator from Illinois, voted in 2006 against raising the debt ceiling, but has since called his decision a mistake of inexperience.

Today the president and Treasury are warning that if the debt limit is not raised before August 2, the government will be forced to default on some of its debts. President Obama even warned that Social Security checks might not arrive on time, or at all, if Congress cannot secure a deal.

Republicans have repeatedly sidelined talks, insisting that tax increases for the wealthiest Americans and corporations are unacceptable, as are cuts to national defense. They’ve instead focused on plans that would eliminate Medicare, dip into the Social Security fund and dramatically reduce the government’s workforce.

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