KPBS.org asks: Political Analysis: When Do Political Attacks Become Libelous?

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There is a very timely post at KPBS.org which asks the question “when do political attacks become libelous?”

Before I get into the essence of the article, I call it timely because just yesterday, I added an additional page on  this blog on which I re-published a review of  Larry Sinclair’s book Barack Obama & Larry Sinclair: Cocaine, Sex Lies & Murder?   

For those who do not know about Larry Sinclair, there is much written on the internet, pro and con.  Rather than give my personal view of the man, I suggest those not familiar with Sinclair research his name. 

The problem with Larry Sinclair’s declaration that Barack Obama had homosexual sex and did drugs with Sinclair, as well as having some part in the murder of a gay choir director who attended the same church that Obama attended at the time is this:  Sinclair has not produced one iota of evidence that such events occured.  Back to the KPBS article.

Here is an exerpt of the conversation  about Sinclair’s book and libel:

Cavanaugh, and you’re listening to These Days on KPBS. Which of these words do not belong together: murder, cocaine, sex, the White House? If you said the White House, then you have not read the new book by Barack Obama-nemesis, Larry Sinclair. The book expands on some of the most scandalous claims made by Sinclair during last year’s presidential race. For awhile, the Obama campaign debunked each allegation of homosexual activity, drug use and murder made by Sinclair, but then decided not to acknowledge the unsubstantiated claims at all. Now that Sinclair has published a book filled with allegations against the president of extramarital sex and illegal activity, including the murder of a former lover, it got KPBS political correspondent Gloria Penner wondering just how far can an author go in writing a defamatory book? If the accusations are not true, can the president sue? And when do statements made about public figures become libelous? Gloria is here now with the answers. Good morning, Gloria.GLORIA PENNER (KPBS Political Correspondent): Oh, good morning, Maureen. What an interesting subject we have.

CAVANAUGH: Well, tell us a little bit more about these accusations made in this book by Larry Sinclair. Is there a storyline? Does he have a whole tale to tell?

PENNER: Not really. I mean, there’s no storyline. It’s simply a chronology of what he considers charges against Obama and these include, as you said, that he used and sold cocaine, that he engaged in homosexual affairs, and he played a role in the December 2007 murder of his alleged former lover, Donald Young, the choir director of Obama’s Chicago church, just days before the 2008 Iowa caucus. So, I mean, if we would think of a storyline it would really be the storyline leading up to the election of the president. He explains how the Obama campaign, David Axelrod, for example, and Obama himself used David Young to contact and seek out information from Sinclair, who he had told of Obama’s crimes and actions. But interestingly enough, he also charges that Vice President Joe Biden’s son, Beau Biden, who is the Delaware Attorney General, issued an arrest warrant on fabricated charges in an attempt to discredit Sinclair’s national press club news conference, which Sinclair arranged and never took place.

There is much more to this interview, and I suggest that everyone read it in its entirety, here.

UPDATE:  

In the interest of full disclosure, I have read the book and Ms. Penner’s account is not entirely accurate.  The choir director’s name was Donald Young.

The NPC press conference that Ms. Penner says never took place, did in fact take place and Sinclair was arrested  AFTER the press conference.

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  1. On the KPBS forum, Larry Sinclair called anyone who spoke up against him LIARS. Wow…pot…meet kettle. What a POS Larry Sinclair is.

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  2. KStreet,

    Not sure if you will allow this comment through, but I’m gonna try anyway.

    First and foremost, I keep you and your son in my thoughts and prayers. Although I haven’t seen anything about how he is doing, I take that to mean he is still on the road to recovery. I hope I am right.

    Second, I have nothing but the utmost respect for you. You have endured attacks from Sinclair that no human should have to go through.

    With the comments disabled on the KPBS site, I thought I would respond to some of the more outlandish things that were posted over there.

    I appreciate you allowing me to post my comment.

    The first comment I would like to respond to is “Long Time Lurker” who posted this:

    “He called the house of President Obama’s grandmother to harrass her as she lay dying.”

    You posted the phone call, so people can listen and decide for themselves whether Larry’s motive was to “harrass her as she lay dying”. This is simply a stupid comment by LTL.

    LTL continues:

    “He made a video urging the President’s daughters to read Sinclair’s own pornography.”

    Can you or maybe LTL link to where this happened?

    LTL then comments:

    “He admits and even brags about his compulsion to swallow the semen of strange men.”

    This is simply another stupid comment. From all that I have heard, Larry was asked ONE TIME whether he was a spitter or a swallower, and he answered that question. That is a far cry from the comment that he “brags about his compulsion”.

    Some people will grasp at straws.

    Now I’d like to move on to ZeN who commented,

    “Wells… you complete imbecile. So since Obama hasn’t sued Sinclair proves Sinclair’s story true? What else have you got?
    Anything? Anything at all?? (I didn’t think so.) Know why?
    Because there isn’t anything. Because it NEVER HAPPENED.”

    No ZeN it doesn’t mean that the story is true, but when Larry FIRST posted his you tube video, Obama could have easily presented Larry with a “Cease and Desist” order. ZeN suggesting that “it NEVER HAPPENED”, is as far a jump as someone believing Larry’s story is true.

    ZeN then makes this comment:

    “Sinclair is a liar, proven time and time again and you still insist to believe him. What is it that you hate about Obama so much that drives this willingness to latch onto ANYTHING negative about him? You’re some patriot, Wells.”

    Obama’s policy ZeN. I know it’s hard for you to understand that, but Obama’s policies are why we disagree with him. It’s not that we “hate” Obama, he seems like a nice enough man, but when he allows the spending of over 3/4 of a TRILLION dollars to “stimulate” the economy (how’s THAT working out for us with unemployment at a 26 year high at 10.2%??????), or how he says during the campaign that he will allow bills to sit on his desk for 5 days before signing them, and then breaks that promise in the first month in office, or that he said he would go “line by line” on any budget legislation to cut out “earmarks”, and then allows 8,000 earmarks in the Omnibus spending bill (which cost us another 410 BILLION dollars), or the fact that he has allowed the Treasury to take over banks, financial institutions, and the auto industry making them DEPENDENT on the Government, or that he went on his “American Apology” tour of Europe, or that he sat in attendance while Ortega gave a scathing speech about how the US is the reason for all of the ills of the world, or that he accepted a book from Hugo and had that photo op with him during his vacation in Trinidad, or how he talks a good game about listening to “the other side”, but I’ve yet to hear of him actually sitting down with those that oppose his policies, or that he holds up his little fingers like he’s holding a “tea bag” and talked down to those who actually have a differing view than he does about the direction of our Country, or the FACT that he said that the health care debate would be streamed on the internet or televised on CSPAN, and then makes a back room deal in secret with drug manufacturers, or that he stood in front of a joint session of Congress touting “his plan” on health care when I can’t find “his” plan ANYWHERE in writting.

    I could go on, but I believe you get my point. There are LEGITIMATE reasons to disagree with our President, it has NOTHING to do with “hate” or “race”.

    And ZeN, it is Patriotic to disagree with the Government, especially when you have strong feelings that the our Country is heading in the wrong direction.

    ZeN continues:

    “I think that “he never sued so it must be true” defense just proves that this is all about trying to get Obama to sue somebody. “look at me … look how important I am”. He never had Sinclair killed either so by your logic how does the Donald Young lie add-on to Sinclair’s story hold water??”

    Can someone point out to me when Wells stated the comment: “he never sued so it must be true”, or is this another made up story from the folks at the regulator?

    ZeN concludes:

    “I think the world knew when Sinclair failed the lie detector test with flying colors what his allegations were worth. Sinclair is a career criminal and complete nutcase with zero credibility and his only purpose on this earth at this point is to be made fun of. That’s his contribution to society now.”

    Again, ZeN resorts to this “lie detector” thing. Is that ALL you people have?

    It kind of amazes me that you vilify Taitz for having an on line degree for being a lawyer, but it seems that ZeN has failed to acknowledge that the man who gave Larry the lie detector also holds an on line degree. Interesting isn’t it, that on one hand, ZeN makes fun of Taitz, and on the other hand, he gives Dr. Ed Gelb the benefit of the doubt.

    Again, Larry’s test was not administered per protocol, and you ALL know it, but still insist on using it. The test was interrupted more than once, and a break was taken in the middle of it. Even the second expert wrote as much in his assessment of the test.

    Also, didn’t Parisi have a press conference at the NPC on the same day as Larry did, where he said he was going to play the video of the test, and pass out the graph from the test? How did that work out?

    Oh, and didn’t Whitehouse dot com scrub their website of everything having to do with the test?

    Again, ZeN shows his bias and doesn’t give the whole story.

    Then I have to take up a couple of YOUR comments:

    You wrote:

    “A telling indication of Sinclair’s intimidation tactics is to always post people’s full names and locations on the web and in his books. He really hopes that one of his supporters might find one of these people and perhaps do some harm to them. After all, what is the purpose of putting someone’s name and location (and sometimes complete addresses) out there, just because that person disagrees with his statements?”

    Do you mean like the people at the regulator have done also?

    You know that I have been subject to the same information being posted about ME, with out and out lies posted about me, and edited comments posted attributed to ME, when one can only conclude that the people at the regulator have the same motives in mind as Larry does.

    I wholeheartedly agree with your last sentence:

    “After all, what is the purpose of putting someone’s name and location (and sometimes complete addresses) out there, just because that person disagrees with his statements?”

    But yet you still comment over at the regulator, and have even commented how “great” this or that post is that mentions people’s real names.

    Isn’t that kind of hypocritical?

    You then write:

    “He and his cohorts have threatened to burn on dissenter’s house to the ground and actually put out her complete address with a photoshopped picture of her home burning. That is the mentality of Sinclair and his fellow bottom dwellers.”

    Now KStreet, I’d like to see that comment. Larry did post the picture of a house of one of the regulator’s regulars, but he didn’t post that someone should burn down the house, or have a photoshopped picture of that house burning.

    Prove me wrong, link me to where Larry did that.

    I DO KNOW, because I seen it with my own eyes, that the folks at the regulator posted a picture of Larry’s house that was photoshopped with it being on fire, with many, many comments on the thread about how fast it would burn, etc, etc.

    Again KStreet, it seems that when “some” people do the things you criticize Larry for doing, it’s ok. How can that be?

    You continue:

    “He is dangerous, vindictive and thinks that everything that MENTIONS his name is all about him. Forget that the above piece actually focuses on libel and public figures, he is so narcissistic that he believes that everything written about him that does not fawn over him like his lemmings write (see Citizenwells.com) then its an all out war against that person or persons.”

    Now we can agree on something. I would tend to agree with this paragraph. Larry seems to be all about me, me, me.

    Then you write this:

    “By the way, the three most aggregious things Sinclair has done was:

    1. Call on his (P)sychophants to email Malia and Sasha Obama and tell them about their father’s alleged “affair” with him. (I will research his statement and post it here when i find it.)”

    You did research it, and this is what you copied:

    “”Why doesn’t someone email Obama’s daughters and start asking them what they think of their father using crack cocaine and engaging in gay sex with other men while the oldest child was at home with her mom? Maybe the NYT’s will ask Michelle Obama how it feels to know that she lost out to another man rather than another woman?”

    He doesn’t “call on” people to email them KStreet. Come on now, you are posting that he “called on” people to do this when the first words in the above quote is : “Why doesn’t someone email Obama’s daughters”. That’s a far cry from posting “I call on my supporters to email……..”

    And then joeymac goes on some rant about Larry’s SSI/medicaid benefits.

    What is joeymac jealous that Larry has found a way to be on disability, and he/she can’t? Seems that after his Delaware issue, the folks at M&N railed about how they got his payments stopped. What happened to that?

    joeymac also makes this claim:

    “Sinclair penned his libelous screed, it has come to light that President was born in Kapiolani Hospital, which makes it nearly a certainty, that he IS circumscised, since it was the common practice of hospitals at that time. It seems that Sinclair was the victim of disinfomation; it set him up beautifully.”

    When did this “come to light” that Obama was born in Kapiolani Hospital? I know Obama sent a letter to the Hospital claiming to have been born there, but didn’t he also claim Selma brought his parents together, and that we had 59 States, or that there were dead people in his audience, or that one of the people in his audience just last Thursday had won the Medal of Honor, when that person actually HADN’T won the Medal of Honor?

    Obama simply writting a letter to a Hospital (which by the way had it posted on it’s website, and then took it down [you think maybe because they couldn’t VERIFY it???]), is proof enough that Obama was born in that Hospital, then how can joeymac criticize supporters of Larry for believing him without ANY proof?

    Then joeymac makes these comments:

    “How about:
    (1) Barack Obama is uncut.”

    Well now, again, just because Obama wrote a letter to a Hospital, joeymac comes to the conclusion that he is circumcised. Jumping mighty far there joeymac

    “(2) You were going to get your telephone records to prove contact with Donald Young. Then, you lied and said that they were unavailable to you.”

    Hey joeymac, why don’t you use the stolen information you have for Larry, and get his phone records yourself? Seems the people at the regulator can do just about anything they want, why don’t YOU get his phone records and prove he didn’t receive calls from a Mr Young? This has not been proven one way or another.

    “(3) You lied and said that you couldn’t get YOUR credit card records to prove your expenditures in Chicago. A lie, because THE CREDIT CARD WASN’T YOURS. And, its my understanding, the usage was unauthorized.”

    You see, it’s comments like this that gets me to shaking my head in disbelief. Just read the comment. First joeymac writes that Larry couldn’t get records from HIS credit card, which if he didn’t use HIS credit card in Chicago is a moot point. Then joeymac writes that because he used someone else’s credit card and it was unauthorized, again, my opinion is that this is simply MADE UP. joeymac makes assertions that aren’t substantiated. Using joeymac’s own logic, WITHOUT PROOF how can we be sure?

    “(4)You lied about the alleged limo driver’s name–changing it several times.”

    Look, the people at the regulator, or a supposed “Sherlock” supposedly TALKED to the limo driver, and so did “Mitch”, who was SUPPOSED to post the conversation, and didn’t. So which is it? Did Larry give the name of the limo driver, and “Mitch” and “Sherlock” talked to him, or not?

    “(5) In an interview with shock jocks, Opie and Anthony, in 2008, you claimed that you couldn’t reveal whether or not BO was circumscised, because you were contractualy prevented, because you were going to reveal it in another imminent interview. Fact is, you didn’t state it until many months later after you solicited members of Barack Obama’s health club to provide the information to you. Except that the person that supplied it punked you.”

    joeymac agains makes assumptions from information that he/she has NO direct knowledge of. Isn’t that the same thing you people claim Larry does? I just shake my head at the hypocrisy.

    “(6) In 2008, you constantly claimed that you were truthful about your past, but you never revealed outstanding warrants in CO, FL and DE; other people had to uncover them.”

    Other than the Delaware warrant (which was VERIFIED to have never been served), this is a correct comment, but again, why does joeymac have to put Delaware in there when the comment would have been truthful without adding Delaware? A bit of “embellishing” there joeymac?

    “(7) You claimed that you never used any aliases, but records indicate that you used at least 14 different ones. You say that they were legal names for you: granted, so why were you using them except to practice deception.”

    So long as the names were “legal”, why does this even matter on the issue in question?

    All this is, is another attempt to “embellish” the Larry story. Larry has always been Larry since I started following this story some time ago (seems like forever now).

    joeymac concludes with this:

    “This is getting boring.”

    It sure does get pretty boring having to correct, or point out the inconsistencies in the stories put out.

    Now I know that I will again be attacked for posting my opinion.

    I have NEVER stated that I believe Larry. NOT ONCE. I have NEVER stated that I “support” Larry. NOT ONCE.

    What I HAVE done is give Larry the benefit of the doubt UNTIL his FIRST visit to DC when he claimed some “big” revelation would occur, which didn’t, and from then on all I have done is point out either inconsistencies, or the hypocrisy of the comments people make.

    Look, Larry hasn’t proven ANYTHING, and the fact that Obama has not acknowledged Larry doesn’t mean squat. I know that.

    However, when people use the same tactics as Larry, and claim that THEIR claims should hold merit, then I just can not sit here and allow it.

    Now maybe the folks at the regulator will post ANOTHER thread about me, and you can tell them how “great” it is, when you have commented that you think it is wrong. They have already posted at least three threads with ME in them, and ALL I have EVER done is ask how they can justify what they are doing, and criticize Larry for doing the same thing.

    You did that already with the “badpoet” video where he NAMES people that he CLAIMS support Larry.

    I do NOT support Larry, I don’t believe Larry’s story, I simply gave him the benefit of the doubt until JUNE of 2008.

    All I ask is that you and the folks at the regulator NOT engage in the same thing Larry does.

    Let the attacking begin!!!!!!!

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    1. LTL continues:
      “He made a video urging the President’s daughters to read Sinclair’s own pornography.”
      Can you or maybe LTL link to where this happened?

      Interested Bystander,

      I am not LTL or Kstreet, but to answer your question, where did this occur? Have you not watched the videos the TEACHABLE MOMENTS? Posted at JustinTV and also on his YouTube channel?

      http://www.youtube.com/user/LarrySinclair1961#p/u/4/Vh_VeYuxQBU

      Here is a transcript that has NOT BEEN EDITED… you seem to ask many questions, but you make no effort to research things for yourself.

      The complete transcription of the video titled
      “A Teachable Moment For Malia & Sasha Obama” ,
      Part 1 and here is Part 2

      And of course here’s the screen shot

      TEXT TRANSCRIPT SINCLAIR’S USTREAM 13OCT09 BROADCAST http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/2347711

      music in the background “Hopelessly Devoted to You”
      and “You’re The One That I Want”

      A TEACHABLE MOMENT FOR MALIA AND SASHA OBAMA

      Good evening. This is a teachable moment for my daughters. Michelle and I both have considered the fact that it’s very important for Sasha and Malia to finally know the truth about their father.
      Sasha, Malia, I am hopelessly devoted to both of you – as long as you don’t get in the way of my own self interests. Malia, I’ve lied. I haven’t always been a loving husband and father. In fact, you can read about in this book.

      (HOLDS UP HIS BOOK FOR A FEW SECONDS)

      Let’s pull it back a little bit so you can see it. You’ll find that this book is written by a homosexual by the name of Larry Sinclair, who I did indeed engage in sexual encounters, and cocaine use, and not only the back of the limosine, but in his own hotel room -while you were just a very wee bitty baby. And your mother’s known, but we have to continue to make everyone think that Sinclair is nothing but some crazy lunatic, career criminal, psychopath – because if people start to listen, and if people start to read this book, then you and your sister, Sasha, are gonna be out of the – your current bedroom.You’re gonna be back in cold Chicago, and you won’t have Bo – the dog. So, while I think it’s time for us to have this teachable moment for you to understand what it is about your own father having the need to engage in sexual contact with other men. It’s no different than with former New Jersey governor, Jim McGreevey. There’s a name for -we’re called men on the ‘DL’ – the down low. We have wives. We have children. But, in secret, we get in the back of rented limousines, and go into hotel rooms. And sometimes we even do things in clubs, and in dark alleys.So for that, Malia and Sasha, forgive me.But please, understand it was all for the best interest of getting us into this White House. And nobody is gonna ever listen to this Sinclair guy because he continues to pull such crazy, idiotic things such as a teachable moment for my girls.
      So, Sasha, Malia, there’s nothing wrong with your father being a closet homosexual, as you’ve seen by all the
      different gays that we’ve brought into the White House since we’ve been here. Just look at it this way, with me you have a father and a mother.
      And with your mom, Michelle, you get two moms for the price of one.
      But either way, please, encourage your friends.

      (HOLDS UP HIS BOOK FOR A FEW SECONDS)

      Check it out. It’s a book that you just cannot go without reading.
      It’ll tell the story about your once beloved father.

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      1. Meesh,

        I have to comment first and foremost, that you have earned NO respect from me.

        YOU LIED on the thread about me when you posted that Pete didn’t put my name out on the comment where he banned me from the regulator. YOU KNOW HE DID IT, and then edited my name off of the comment. You also edited comments from 2008 on that thread that took my comments out of text, and didn’t link the pages they came from or the context in which they were given.

        With that posted, I respond to this reply with “That’s all you’ve got?”

        I heard Larry say that Malia should read the book, but I DO NOT hear him say Sasha should. He says their friends should read the book.

        This is exactly what I mean about the regulator doing what Larry does. You people EMBELLISH. You do not actually give the facts as they are.

        So it is only MY opinion that LTL stretched the truth, just like joeymac did in his “warrants” comment that I replied to above.

        Your site would have so much more credibility, at least in my mind, if you would stick to the FACTS, and quit with your embellishment of the truth.

        So Larry encouraged Malia and Sasha and Malia’s friends to read the book.

        Thank you for the link.

        You comment this:

        “Here is a transcript that has NOT BEEN EDITED… you seem to ask many questions, but you make no effort to research things for yourself.”

        You see, when someone makes an allegation or accusation, I don’t feel it is my responsibility to “research” for myself. The allegation or accusation should be researched by the person making the statement.

        The comment says that Larry “encouraged” Sasha AND Malia to read the book, and your own “evidence” shows differently.

        What is sad is that you folks don’t really care.

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  3. Meesh thank you for your concise report on Sinclair’s antics concerning Malia and Sasha. IB hopefully I will feel better (flu) enough to tackle some of your questions on both this comment section and thisone as well.

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    1. KStreet,

      Please delete my comment made at November 10, 2009 at 11:41 am… I will resubmit it in the proper text, thanks!

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  4. I have to comment first and foremost, that you have earned NO respect from me.

    The feeling is mutual, interested bystander.

    YOU LIED on the thread about me when you posted that Pete didn’t put my name out on the comment where he banned me from the regulator. YOU KNOW HE DID IT, and then edited my name off of the comment.

    Interested bystander, I did not lie, I did not see this, when both you and Pete were having your “pissing-match” there was no need for me to moderate, or read Pete’s comments as Pete was also moderating the blog. Whatever Pete did or did not do, this was between the both of you…
    Pete did tell me he *only posted your email address* and he promptly removed it and at the time we did NOT know your name, so this was impossible for Pete to do this. Your email address is NOT your *full* name, is it?

    As for banning you, I had no knowledge of this, as what I am looking at currently is that you have NOT BEEN banned, although your future comments will automatically go into moderation at The Regulator.

    With that posted, I respond to this reply with “That’s all you’ve got?”
    I heard Larry say that Malia should read the book, but I DO NOT hear him say Sasha should. He says their friends should read the book.

    I cannot believe you posted this, what difference does it make, Sasha or Malia or their friends, these are children they are MINORS! Does it make sense for Sinclair to involve or inform children of his sordid fabrications, portraying to be someone else, their Father?

    The comment says that Larry “encouraged” Sasha AND Malia to read the book, and your own “evidence” shows differently.
    What is sad is that you folks don’t really care.

    URGED or encouraged…
    What is sad Interested Bystander, is for you to even be debating this, by all standards, this video was done in VERY POOR TASTE, even for Larry, he hit rock bottom, if this is at all possible, these are children, I am certain some of Larry’s supporters felt this way too.

    You also edited comments from 2008 on that thread that took my comments out of text, and didn’t link the pages they came from or the context in which they were given.

    Interested bystander,
    I cannot link to a blog that no longer exists, we have it archived, and no, we do not edit… the comments that I posted were relevant to what you stated at Obambi.

    “I am not a Larry supporter, not at all, and I have been consistant in that.” “I am not a supporter of Larry, but what I will not allow is someone coming on here and posting comments that “bend” the truth.”

    You did in fact support Larry at one time, you were not telling the whole truth, were you?

    And the comments that I selected were NOT edited, but have it your way, here are ALL the comments you posted at Larry’s… for someone who has never been a Larry supporter, you certainly had a lot to say. I will admit towards the end you had had it with Larry’s antics, and at the beginning you did say you were sitting on the fence. I will grant you that.

    We noticed you emerged at BHDC as Interested Bystander and not Art. We only put two and two together when you in fact posted at The Regulator, your avatar confirmed you were in fact the same Art who once posted at Larry’s. The same posting email address follows you, wherever you go.

    Why you have been such a concern to us at The Regulator, it’s because of your constant attacks of the Regulator and M&N and also directed towards the posters they escalated to a degree that either we ignore you completely or prove you wrong by exposing you, for what you are, you are a troublemaker.
    To ridicule posters of their spelling or grammar this serves no purpose IMO and you have done this quite often, now if you look below to *your* comments posted at Larry’s, you also have made errors…

    COMMENTS posted at Larry Sinclair’s by Art aka INTERESTED BYSTANDER

    Art said:

    Submitted on 2008/06/03 at 9:50pm
    Sorry to cause problems all.
    I am out for the evening. I will check in tomorrow.
    Hope I have to eat crow.
    Art said:

    Submitted on 2008/06/03 at 9:42pm
    All,
    I am not DEMANDING, I am just asking for an explaination for these posts.
    Art said:

    Submitted on 2008/06/03 at 9:39pm
    Thank you Ray,
    Again, I am sorry that I have to be the one to ask these questions.
    Art said:

    Submitted on 2008/06/03 at 9:38pm
    Michael,
    I’m sorry to be the one who asks these questions, but words have MEANINGS. Larry said these things. Not me.
    Art said:

    Submitted on 2008/06/03 at 9:35pm
    Ed,
    I do not understand what the “law” has to do with Larry doing what HE said he was going to do.
    It is not my intention to be confrontational, these were Larry’s words. I am just asking.
    Art said:

    Submitted on 2008/06/03 at 9:27pm
    I’m sure I will be jumped on now.
    Art said:

    Submitted on 2008/06/03 at 9:24pm
    Larry,
    What happened to this?
    Please look to this Blog Wednesday night May 28, 2008 for an announcement that is sure to make the Obama bloggers and supporters totally livid.
    On the evening on May 28, 2008 I will publish on this blog a video and print announcement that is certain to send the cesspool (who has disregarded every law in this country) falling all over themselves in their illegal efforts to stop me from being heard.
    Or this?
    Allow me to make known that I have arrived in DC and over the next three to five days will be making one hell of a lot of noise. I will try to have the video I was going to post with this picture done and up in the next couple of hours. I have been instructed (asked) by the reporter to only post a portion of it til airing.
    Or this???
    Friday May 30, 2008 I will be available to Media along with my Attorney Montgomery Blair Sibley in Washington, DC. This press conference will be Friday afternoon and the location is being sent to media by Mr. Sibley.
    How About this??
    I will put a more complete post up as I am working on it now.
    And Lastly, what happened to this????
    Tomorrow, Monday June 2, 2008, I will post an update on the legal representation in the current civil suit in the US District Court in DC and possible additional legal actions against Barack Obama directly.
    You keep promising stuff and not delivering. Where is the noise Larry?
    These are legitimate questions to postings that YOU made.
    Don’t get me wrong, I AM NOT AGAINST YOU. I just want you to keep your word.

    Art said:

    Submitted on 2008/06/01 at 5:29pm
    Tofer,
    They are talking about the Michelle “whitey” video.
    Art said:

    Submitted on 2008/06/01 at 5:22pm
    Hey all,
    I think the tide is turning. If the Dems want a viable candidate in November, then Hillary had better be their choice. I will admit that I am a McCain supporter (and proud of it). It seems to me as if the Democratic party is imploding.
    As a Republican, I would much prefer to run against Obama in November, but I do believe that with the extra couple days Larry is getting in DC (I contributed for his extended stay), he may be able to get some time with a Major Network (FOX??? Greta???) We can all only hope.
    The only hope the Dems have in November is to run Hillary. The Republicans are chomping at the bit to get Obama.
    Larry, can’t wait for the update. Hope you get one up tonight.
    MAKE SOME NOISE and LET’S ROLL

    Art said:

    Submitted on 2008/06/01 at 1:51pm
    Early Happy Birthday to Shary
    Submitted on 2008/06/01 at 1:49pm
    Happy Birthday Bon,
    I hope today brings some good developments.
    Art said:

    Submitted on 2008/06/01 at 7:07am
    Good morning all

    Art said:
    Submitted on 2008/05/31 at 10:07pm
    I thought Obama said that if you start saying stuff about his wife, you would be sorry. Or something to that effect. LOL Hope they do get that tape out there Monday.
    Art said:

    Submitted on 2008/05/31 at 8:53pm
    Thanks Moma.
    Art said:

    Submitted on 2008/05/31 at 8:45pm
    Thanks Duck, WTG Biased.

    Art said:
    Submitted on 2008/05/31 at 8:42pm
    Can Robin give an update as to how much has been donated? Is Larry going to stay?

    Art said:
    Submitted on 2008/05/31 at 8:41pm
    I got Tina’s back.
    Art said:
    Submitted on 2008/05/31 at 8:39pm
    Ok All,
    Sorry it took so long, but I got it done. Had to set up an account. This is the first time I have ever donated to Larry. I think it will help if he can stay a couple more days. $100.00 sent to Larry.
    Art said:
    Submitted on 2008/05/31 at 7:56pm
    Ok Robin, I want to do this right. First time donator here. I just think if Larry stays a couple more days, it may help. I go to PayPal.com, go to send money, then type in Larry’s email address? Is this right?
    b>Art said:
    Submitted on 2008/05/31 at 7:53pm
    Bakeoff Pay Pal account it is Robin.

    Art said:
    Submitted on 2008/05/31 at 7:47pm
    If you go to the link Number1 posted in #470, you can do it on line. Said it would cost 20 bucks to send 100. Total of 120.00, I’m still in for $100.00. (or 120.00)

    Art said:
    Submitted on 2008/05/31 at 7:39pm
    Cool,
    I can send the money with the wife when she goes to work tonight. There is a WU where she works. I need to know something by 11:30 (10:30 central)though.

    Art said:
    Submitted on 2008/05/31 at 7:25pm
    670 with JoAnn

    Art said:
    Submitted on 2008/05/31 at 7:24pm
    Fourth,
    6 feet under……..come on now.

    Art said:
    Submitted on 2008/05/31 at 7:23pm
    See how he looks down when saying Honest and Moral….that is an indication he is lying.
    Looks like we have 600.00 so far.

    Art said:
    Submitted on 2008/05/31 at 7:21pm
    I think the Dems just wrote off MI and FL today. He’s saying they can win those two states.
    Art said:Submitted on 2008/05/31 at 7:20pm
    I think he needs a hanky to wipe off that forehead. Looks very nervous to me.

    Art said:
    Submitted on 2008/05/31 at 7:19pm
    Number1,
    We are waiting for Robin to let us know.

    Art said:
    Submitted on 2008/05/31 at 7:18pm
    Half way there in a couple minutes.
    Keep giving them he!! Larry.

    Art said:
    Submitted on 2008/05/31 at 7:15pm
    Nurse 404,
    I agree totally. He is stumbling, bumbling. Oh I forgot he doesn’t have a ’script”. LOL
    Hey put me in for two to help Larry stay!!!! I’ll give $100.00. Just tell me where to go to donate.

    Art said:
    Submitted on 2008/05/30 at 6:34pm
    Just for the record, I want the truth to come out. Seems that this has gone on long enough. I do not post here often, but I do come every day (many times a day on days off), and seems to me that most everyone here is content to go along with whatever Larry wants. I understand this, but why has no one questioned him about the May 28th, BIG ANNOUNCEMENT? What happened to that? It is now May 30. I think this is a legitimate question.
    I will not bother you guys again tonight. I will still check in from time to time.
    Good luck to you all.

    Art said:
    Submitted on 2008/05/30 at 6:29pm
    Christina,
    I agree, just am wondering why this issue was not resolved BEFORE Larry went to DC. Seems to me this would have been the logical thing.

    Art said:
    Submitted on 2008/05/30 at 6:25pm
    Scientist,
    Where is it then? He said it would be up Weds night. Said it was the BIG BANG and the other side would back off.
    Please don’t construe this as being negative. I believe Larry has been busy. But you ALL deserve something that will prove Larry’s story. I just want Larry to be proven right.
    I am on the fence on this issue, but all of you on here (besides GUMBY) are very supportive of Larry. This has gone on long enough. In my opinion, Larry should have had all of the limo driver stuff done BEFORE he went to DC. This should have been the big finish. Now it will be another two weeks???
    Art said: Submitted on 2008/05/30 at 5:47pm
    Hey all,
    Congrats Larry, almost 900,000 hits.
    I sure hope something good comes out of today or tomorrow. I am optimistic, but cautious. What ever happened to the “partial” video Larry was going to post? Was the DNC video the one he was talking about? I do not think it was, because he said the video he was waiting to post was on VHS and needed to be converted.
    Anyway, I am waiting for the BIG BANG, and none has come as of yet. I sure hope it comes soon.
    You all deserve it.

    Art said:Submitted on 2008/05/28 at 8:16pm
    Way to go Larry,
    47 for 27 to delete when I voted.
    Larry,
    Stay strong, and GIVE IT TO them
    Let’s Roll and Make some noise!!!!!

    Art said:
    Submitted on 2008/05/27 at 6:46pm
    Larry,
    Over 800,000 hits, way to go young man!!!
    I just went over to the other side, and they are suggesting that you are going to be On The Record. I really hope this is true. I think you would get a fair shake.
    Good Luck to you Larry, hopefully tomorrow will be THE day when people in the Main Stream Media begin to take your allegations seriously.

    Art said:
    Submitted on 2008/05/22 at 8:15pm
    Can anyone post a link to Larry’s Rense interview this week? I wasn’t able to listen. I don’t see it up in the Interview section above.
    Keep strong Larry, your day is coming soon.

    Art said:
    Submitted on 2008/05/18 at 5:13pm
    Annie,
    Thanks for the link on this page also,
    Maybe it’s just my puter, but it keeps stopping at 48 seconds, where Wright is saying that Young was a success story. Oh well. Thanks for the link though.
    Keep rolling supporters!!!

    Art said:
    Submitted on 2008/05/18 at 4:19pm
    Hey all,
    Interesting developments the last few days Larry. I am hoping you are well, and continue the fight.
    Did anyone try to go to the link for te local news story on Donald Young on the last post? (289 I think)? I tried it, and the video stops at 48 seconds, where Wright is talking about Young. I tried it several times.
    I am wondering how the other side can say that someone form the CPD actually commented on an ongoing investivation to someone from the general public. Seems like maybe THEY are doing the ones that are fabricating stuff.
    Larry, over 650,000 hits, congratulations, you have come a long way from three months ago. Over 100,000 in one week. Someone is interested in your story.
    I know I don’t post that often, but I do check out every day what you are up too. You are very lucky to have the following you have.
    Keep at them Larry.
    LS said:Thanks Art, 133,379 since 7pm last Sunday 5-11-08, so far. That averages to 19055 per day.

    Art said:
    Submitted on 2008/05/13 at 6:04pm
    The video had 88 votes on RCP when I tried to vote. Signed in, went back to the “article” page, pressed the “vote” button, and it said I had already voted. HMMMMMM.
    Moma,
    You are as much of an inspiration here as Larry is. You keep us going.
    Thanks to everyone for their support for Larry, and let’s keep doing whay we can.
    Hillary is going to STOMP Obama tonight in West Virginia.
    As Miami says “Let’s Roll”

    Art said: Submitted on 2008/05/12 at 10:09pm
    Moma,
    Fear not. Larry’s supporters are up for anything. They’ve been through alot already. This will be nothing.
    Congratulations Larry!
    Art said: Submitted on 2008/05/12 at 10:06pm
    Just emailed, Thanks for the link Robin. Says we’ll get a response for the Rev himself. Hope he has lots of time tomorrow.
    Art said:
    Submitted on 2008/05/12 at 9:59pm
    Robin,
    I’ll be emailing him as soon as he gets done with the interview.
    I bet he’ll be shocked at how many supporters Larry has
    Art said:Submitted on 2008/05/12 at 9:52pm
    Yeah Hope,
    Half the show on a student from North Carolina (with no clues at all), and the other half on a “has been” OJ. Pitiful, just plain pit-i-ful.
    Art said: Submitted on 2008/05/12 at 9:49pm
    Has anyone tried Nancy Grace over at CNN Headline News?? Maybe she would give this story some time.
    Art said: Submitted on 2008/05/12 at 9:46pm
    Yeah Scientist,
    but they covered Wright extensively, and on Donald Young nothing. Makes you think words are more important than murder
    Art said:
    Submitted on 2008/05/12 at 9:41pm
    Larry,
    I suggest you email Rev. Manning and open up a conversation with him. In conferance with Mr. Sibley too of course.
    Stick,
    I agree, did I see you over on Gretawire tonight?
    Why won’t they report this story???
    Art said:Submitted on 2008/05/12 at 9:32pm

    Go Rev Manning Go!!!

    Wow, even talking about Donald Young.
    Larry I believe this is the avenue that will get your story out in to the MSM.
    Art said:Submitted on 2008/05/12 at 9:04pm
    Larry,
    Good video statement.
    I’ve been over at Gretawire trying to get them to discuss the Donald Young murder.
    And I thought Fox was the “We Report, You Decide” network. Talking about OJ, and some murder of a North Carolina University student where there are NO CLUES.
    Why can’t they report on the Donald Young murder???? It would be a start!!
    Art said: Submitted on 2008/05/12 at 2:03pm
    Larry,
    Mike is always so pleasant and amusing………NOT!!!
    Mitch has maybe 4 or 5 people that post over there. Makes me wonder who is more credible………….NOT
    Bon,
    I cheated, but I count approximately 110 differant names posted on this post alone. That’s not too bad.
    Hope I post this before you get done…..LOL
    Keep on it Larry.
    As Miami says, “Let’s Roll”
    Art said: Submitted on 2008/05/12 at 11:59am
    Larry,
    Can you give us an update on what is happening with your case. Not necessarily details, but something like Mr. Sibley is preparing a response to the request to quash the suit, or how about a date as to when this case will be heard?
    We haven’t heard alot about what is going on except that the other side is filing stuff and posting your personal information.
    Also, I was thinking last night about this, I have posted before about why there isn’t a follow up story on the Donald Young murder, but it is pretty suspicious to me that Rev. Wright didn’t even mention it in either of his broadcast speeches. And the church where he was the chior director hasn’t even put up any reward money. The last I knew the reward was only 1,000. Doesn’t it strike anyone else as odd, why Obama, Wright, or the current Pastor hasn’t even talked about it? My thinking is that if they wanted this to move forward, they would be speaking daily about it. The silence is kind of suspicious to me.
    Something like Keep Donald Young and his family in your prayers, would keep this in the press. Nothing since the story first came out.
    Also Larry, good idea on the You Tube video. Why do you not mention this site on there, or at least thank the people who have been supportive of you? Not by name, but just a general “Thanks to the people who support me, you know who you are” type of thing?

    Art said: Submitted on 2008/05/11 at 9:36pm
    Larry,
    I know you were on with Bill Cunningham on WLW, I am wondering have you talked to Mike McConnell that is on WLW in the mornings before Cunningham? WLW is on XM radio, and it is a clear channel. Mike seems to be fair with the folks that come on his show.
    Art said: Submitted on 2008/05/11 at 8:41pm
    Larry,
    Congrats on the hits, I believe your message is becomeing something that people will discuss “around the water cooler”.
    Others, and others have stated this before, please try to stay on message. Teresa is trying to get everyone off message, and Paul himself says he only has 350,000 followers. Not many in a country that has 350 million folks. Maybe she will get the message that this is not a vote for this person or that person blog. The people here are supportive of Larry, and trying to get his message out.
    The message being that Obama did drugs in November of 1999, and had a “Mr. Young” telephone him in the fall of 2007, to ask about this issue. And now there is a “Mr. Young” that has been murdered in Chicago, and it seems no one is interested in finding out who did this.
    Anyway, Larry keep up the good work. And thanks for the update on the hits.
    Art said: Submitted on 2008/05/11 at 3:48pm
    Larry,
    525,000 hits, way to go!!! People are finding out Larry.
    I just can’t get over the folks over at Mitch and Nan’s. What are there maybe 4 or 5 folks that post over there? Mitch is even advertising his site over on BHDC. They are unbelievable.
    I have seen many Manning videos. They are informative. I believe most of what he talks about.
    Fourthsign,
    I would suggest you choose your words better. I know a bunch of blacks (or african-americans) and of the ones I know “most” do not feel this way. The vocal ones get the press, and yes they seem to hold grudges that seem to be baseless, or outdated, but the ones I know are fine, hard working, upstanding citizens.
    Keep up the good work Larry!!!!

    Art said: Submitted on 2008/05/10 at 11:45am
    I guess when he was asked. I heard him say that he was asked for his advise, and the other talking head, and the anchor was kind of taken back by this weren’t they?
    Art said: Submitted on 2008/05/10 at 11:39am
    I am curious to find out what this “big problem” is that the talking heads on the news stations are refering too.
    I heard Hannity talk about it earlier in the week, and I heard Pat Buchanon talk about it this morning on MSNBC. I’ve heard O’Reily talk about it too. I’ve heard folks on Abram’s show talk about it too.
    There’s something brewing out there, maybe it’s not this story, but there is definately something going on that these people know about. I get the feeling that they are waiting for someone, anyone to drop the bomb, and then the others can say something like, well we knew about this but didn’t report it for this reason.
    Hang in there Larry.
    Art said: Submitted on 2008/05/10 at 10:42am
    Maybe my other post will show up, but I will ask again just in case it doesn’t.
    I am just wandering why no Chicago papers have done a follow-up story on Donald Young? Seems to me if they wanted answers to his murder, they would want to keep it in the news. Is this strange to anyone else as to why they don’t want to know what happened to the Chior Director of the Church that a future Presidential Hopeful (I hope not) attended for twenty years. Seems awful strange to me.
    I just googled Donald Young and found maybe three or four stories on the Chior Director. These were from December also, no follow-ups. Unless he is the same Donald Young that has a gallery in Chicago.
    They were all over the Drew Peterson story for at least a month at least.
    Art said: Submitted on 2008/05/10 at 10:27am
    Oh I guess I forgot this, does anyone know if there have been any follow-up articles on the Donald Young Case in Chicago papers? It sure seems to me that if the papers were interested in getting to the bottom of this, they would be doing stories every day, asking questions. I mean this is only the Chior Director at the Church that a future presidential hopeful (I hope not) attended for 20 years.
    Seems the media was all over the Drew Peterson story, but haven’t been on this. Anyone see something wrong with this?
    Art said: Submitted on 2008/05/10 at 10:23am
    Larry,
    First and foremost, congrats on the hits. I think when I started coming to this site it was like 119,000 or so. Your story is getting out.
    The You Tube post of the Alan Colmes phone call was very good. Does anyone know who made this call? Just wandering.
    Larry, I have stated many times before, you are fortunate to have all of these folks behind you. This site is mostly positive. I have also been to Mitch’s site, and am more frequently over at BHDC. Their site right now is “locked up” for some reason. Can’t post anything.
    Those sites are just a bunch of name callers. They jump on your supporters like a bunch of alligators. They aren’t interested in any other opinion but to bash you or your supporters. Doesn’t make much sense to me. This site is much more positive.
    Now my final thaught is what ever happened to Investigative Reporters? I wander if Colmes has actually looked at this case, or if he just is repeating what he has heard around. I am kind of baffled as to why Hannity hasn’t taken up the cause, but also figure maybe he is holding out until Obama has the nomination.
    Can you tell us if anyone has even talked to you about your naming the limo driver post?
    Good Luck Larry.

    Art said: Submitted on 2008/05/09 at 6:09pm
    Barry,
    But Alan is on with Sean Hannity, and if Alan would say something about Larry on air, I am positive Sean would jump all over it. Sean has been waiting and waiting to bring this up. I think Sean would relish in the fact that Alan would bring it up, so Sean doesn’t look like the smear guy.
    And Sally,
    Just FYI, all of those tabloids are owned by the same folks. I delivered these for over 20 years to stores. Although alot of people claim they are “untrue”, you found an awful lot of these sitting around the store where someone picked them up to read them, but didn’t want to be seen buying them. Someone posted they had a 500,000 circulation, but I bet four times that many are read, and then put back or laid down somewhere else in the store and not bought.
    But I agree with everyone, it’s a start. There have been many an article that started out in the tabloids that have proven to be true.
    Larry, keep your head up, I agree with whoever stated that you should not be commenting on Victor negatively. He was and I’m sure will remain an objective follower. His feelings were hurt, and he is human. Keep this between you two. Maybe you guys can work through this. Just as you were hurt yesterday when you said that you weren’t going to post anymore. You had second thaughts, and made the right decision to come back. Thank you.
    Everyone here seems to have your back. You should feel proud that so many good Americans are following your story, and believe you.
    And thanks for the updated hits on your blog earlier. I like seeing this info. Almost 500,000 hits now, thats going to be a new record this week Larry. Your story is getting out.

    Art said:Submitted on 2008/05/08 at 10:04am
    Larry,
    Seems as if this blog is falling in to the “breaking up” catagory. I can see everyone’s sides on this.
    I know you can only go so far in what you say, but there are “holes” in your story, that you say will be explained in due time. Thinking as Victor, and knowing how supportive he is of you, I can see his side of having to defend you without complete evidence.
    I am sure you have not asked for his help, although you ask folks often to research this or that on here, and I think Vicotr deserved the info he requested. Maybe you gave him what he wanted. I am not sure.
    What I am sure of is that the other sites are going to have a field day with this kind of bickering back and forth between you all. “They are falling apart over there”, “I see the “family” is having a spat.” That sort of stuff.
    Victor, your post have been very informative, and have explained some stuff that I have not been clear on. Some of your posts are too long, and I get bored with them, but most have been very helpful. It is Larry’s blog, he has the right to censor as he sees fit. You have the right to question.
    You two need to get together and work this out before you give the other side more ammo to put out there.

    Art said: Submitted on 2008/05/07 at 6:55pm
    Very bold move Larry. Keep at them, and at some point they will have to report your story. Who will budge first? I say Hannity gets my vote. Anyone else have an opinion on who will report first? I can see it now. Complete embarassment for the Obama Campaign.
    Submitted on 2008/05/07 at 7:09pm
    This has already been posted over at BHDC. Somethings about to go BOOM!!!
    Art said:
    Submitted on 2008/05/07 at 8:03pm
    Sorry David, the post is on the latest post about Larry. Just search for Larry Sinclair at BHDC, and go to the posts. The original post is about Palfry and Sinclair, but it is a Larry post. The post itself is in the comments section.
    Art said:
    Submitted on 2008/05/07 at 8:07pm
    I stand corrected David, it is a BHDC post about Palfry and Sinclair.

    Art said:Submitted on 2008/05/06 at 6:35pm
    The video has been removed by user Larry. Makes you wander where their brains are. I don’t post often, but I do visit a couple times a day to keep up. Keep at these people Larry, you seem to be making ground. Thanks for keeping us updated.

    Art said: Submitted on 2008/05/04 at 4:13pm
    Hey Larry,
    How about an update on how may hits you’ve had in the last week or so. Seems like the numbers are going up rapidly. I beleve Friday night you had around 400,000 and now you have almost 450,000.
    Seems like you are getting more and more hits.
    Also, looks like Mitch is back over at BHDC. He is a hateful man.
    Submitted on 2008/05/04 at 6:00pm
    Thanks for the info Larry. More and more people are learning about you. I talk about you to everyone I know and tell them to look at your site.
    Art said:
    Submitted on 2008/05/04 at 6:10pm
    Me too Tina. Throw Iran some “Carrots”. Yeah right. It took the American government 12 years to form, and he wants to cut and run from Iraq. We may not agree on why we are there, but now we have started something and we can’t back out on their people now. That would show weakness. I also tried to email BO at his government web site and was informed that he only takes emails from his constituents. Does anyone know where I can send an email directly to him? Obama is just wrong on so many issues. Like explaining where he was in early November 1999. It would have been much easier for him to just admit that he was mistaken about when he last used drugs, and this would not be where it is now. Larry would be a thing of the past, and he could have moved forward with his campaign. Just baffles me.

    Art said: Submitted on 2008/05/02 at 10:55pm
    Matt,
    There are more people than you know who know what is going on with this story. Seems more and more the MSM are talking about “other” issues with Obama that have not come to light yet. They are just waiting to see what goes on in the primaries. They don’t want to be accused of ruining the first legitimate black candidate for the highest office in the world. This story will not be “swept under the carpet” for much longer.
    Art said:
    Submitted on 2008/05/02 at 10:40pm
    Larry,
    Don’t let Mitch and Nan get you down, they are idiots. I wander what their interest in this whole thing is. Seems as if they have more in this than they let on. I hope you are vindicated and they are shown to be the frauds they seem to be. Like I said yesterday, keep your head up. If your story is true, they will have to answer to a higher being, and will pay for their harrasment of you. Keep up the good fight.

    Art said: Submitted on 2008/05/01 at 10:28pm
    Larry, Where are you??? Your absence is kind of troubling to me. Keep your head up!! You are fighting the good fight. The truth will be heard Larry. You are a fighter, and your reputation will be restored. I hope you are resting, and not in trouble. I have posted a couple times, and have not seen a posting that you haven’t responded to at least a couple comments made by someone. I hope you are well. Please let everyone know that all is well with you.
    Art said:
    Submitted on 2008/05/01 at 10:33pm

    Thanks momma, I was getting worried. It’s just not the same around here without him.

    Art said: Submitted on 2008/04/30 at 6:36pm
    Hey Larry,
    Almost 400,000 hits on your blog. Congratulations!!! Keep up the good fight! I think your message is getting out.
    I tend to agree with the folks who are saying that these two are in this together. They know what’s up, they see BO’s ratings going down, and they are trying to prop him back up to get him over the top.
    One more thing, I hope you realize how lucky you are to have so many staunch supporters. I know you mentioned “Robin” on the Rense interview, but there are so many more poeple you have on here that you know are very important. It’s like you guys are building a family.

    Art said:
    Submitted on 2008/04/25 at 9:08pm
    Larry, I am one that has been on the “fence” since this took off. I came upon your site through searching, and have found this very interesting. I am more and more beginning to think there is some merit to all of your allegations. I hope they are true. I also hope BO is the nomination of the Dems, so that this can come to light after the convention. This would insure that McCain will win. I could not imagine either of these two yahoos in office. Good luck to you Larry. I hope you are not pulling the wool over all of our eyes.

    These posts made by you have NOT been edited, but you will do the same as Larry and you will deny ever posting any of this, I have you pegged, don’t bother.

    By the way, is there any blog out there that you are welcomed as a poster, you seem to be argumentative and condescending to many of the other posters wherever you go. I would make a point of brushing up on your social and proper “netiquetting” skills…….. just saying.

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  5. LOL Ya gotta love Meesh’s ability to back any and everything said by anyone in her archives. The woman is amazing. I have yet to read the full thread here due to feeling lousy, but I just passed by to see how things were moving along here.

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  6. By the way, is there any blog out there that you are welcomed as a poster, you seem to be argumentative and condescending to many of the other posters wherever you go. I would make a point of brushing up on your social and proper “netiquetting” skills…….. just saying.

    Ok I just read Meesh’s last paragraph and IB I have to agree, you appear to want to argue with people over the most minute point. Here’s an example right here in this thread:

    He doesn’t “call on” people to email them KStreet. Come on now, you are posting that he “called on” people to do this when the first words in the above quote is : “Why doesn’t someone email Obama’s daughters”. That’s a far cry from posting “I call on my supporters to email……..”

    IB The fact is Sinclair asked: “Why doesn’t someone email Malia and Sasha….”

    Let me just say that those two babies names shouldn’t be mentioned by anyone like Sinclair. His alleged beef is with Obama, he needs to stop invoking those girls’ names, purely for the sensationalism and a hope to get a rise out of the press or Obama.

    IB, to be honest, Meesh is a saint to try to take on your nit picking…no she hasn’t tried…she HAS in fact taken you on. I, on the otherhand do not have the patience nor the desire to argue with anyone about anything at this stage in my life.

    Life is too short to always have a chip on one’s shoulder and a need to nit pick every little nuance written somewhere. The Regulator keeps its records meticulously, thanks to Meesh. We all have screen shots converted to pdfs of things Sinclair has said and done. If in fact we acted in a manner untasteful to you or others, undoubtedly, you should move on to another blog that is more yout taste, like Goofy oops Larry Wells’ blog.

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    1. KStreet,

      Call it “nit picking” or what ever you want, it still remains that Larry didn’t “call on” anyone to email them. It was a rhetorical statement.

      You comment:

      “The Regulator keeps its records meticulously, thanks to Meesh.”

      Good, then Meesh has all of the LIES they have posted.

      “If in fact we acted in a manner untasteful to you or others, undoubtedly, you should move on to another blog that is more yout taste, like Goofy oops Larry Wells’ blog.”

      I get your message KStreet, thanks for letting me post on your blog.

      Let me state that YOU can’t even be “respectful” to others. Where is “Larry Wells'” blog? Would that be Citizen Wells? Why is it that you and others feel it necessary to use people’s REAL names when they post using another name? I have never understood that. Is it an intimidation tactic that you learned from Larry?

      I’m out.

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  7. Meesh,

    You commented:

    “I did not lie, I did not see this, when both you and Pete were having your “pissing-match” there was no need for me to moderate, or read Pete’s comments as Pete was also moderating the blog.
    Whatever Pete did or did not do, this was between the both of you…
    Pete did tell me he *only posted your email address* and he promptly removed it and at the time we did NOT know your name, so this was impossible for Pete to do this. Your email address is NOT your *full* name, is it?”

    Do us all a favor and link the thread that you claim Pete and I were in a “pissing match”.

    The FACT is that Pete posted my NAME (which is Art), and NOT my email address. Man, I never thought I would have needed to save the email Pete sent me, but I sure do wish I would have now. I even commented on that FACT right after Pete did it, and the comment did not post. Pete then emailed me and apologized for posting my name and that he had taken it down out of “respect”. I’m sure Pete still has that email, and my reply to him, and if Pete agrees to have his email published, I give my permission for you to post my reply back to him.

    It matters not, because email or name, what was the purpose other than intimidation?

    Then you comment this:

    “As for banning you, I had no knowledge of this, as what I am looking at currently is that you have NOT BEEN banned, although your future comments will automatically go into moderation at The Regulator.”

    You had “no knowledge”? When did you become aware that I was banned? Seems YOU knew when you posted this:

    “Pete did not post your real name, you are the one who confirmed this, Pete only said this about your avatar, he only checked the email addy that you utilized at The Regulator as well as Larry’s old WP site, that was obtained from the backup that CW left out on the internet.
    What in fact caused you to get banned at The Regulator, was your “so called” debating was confrontational with some other posters and also off topic.”

    See where it says
    “What in fact caused you to get banned………..”?

    That was in MAY Meesh. And you say you weren’t aware of it?

    I will link to the whole article:

    http://theregulator.net/?p=4129

    As far as not being currently banned from the regulator, I could care less.

    You continue with this:

    “I cannot believe you posted this, what difference does it make, Sasha or Malia or their friends, these are children they are MINORS! Does it make sense for Sinclair to involve or inform children of his sordid fabrications, portraying to be someone else, their Father?”

    Look Meesh, I do not think Larry should have posted the video. DO YOU GET THAT?

    Larry can’t help himself, and you folks know that. He is an attention wanter, and you guys give it to him. He THRIVES on it.

    Next you comment this:

    “What is sad Interested Bystander, is for you to even be debating this, by all standards, this video was done in VERY POOR TASTE, even for Larry, he hit rock bottom, if this is at all possible, these are children, I am certain some of Larry’s supporters felt this way too.”

    The video IS in VERY POOR TASTE, but the video does not say what LTL commented it to say. That’s my whole point. LTL “embellished” that Larry was “urging” Sasha and Malia to read his book, when what Larry did was suggest to Malia that she read the book, and “encouraged” their friends to read the book.

    LTL was wrong when he/she commented what they commented.

    All I did was ask for proof that Larry was “urging” them to read the book.

    It was a STUPID thing for Larry to do either way.

    You go on with this:

    “I cannot link to a blog that no longer exists, we have it archived, and no, we do not edit… the comments that I posted were relevant to what you stated at Obambi this”

    Well you have the screen shots, why not post them?

    Next you comment this:

    “You did in fact support Larry at one time, you were not telling the whole truth, were you?”

    YES I WAS TELLING THE TRUTH. I contributed to Larry staying in DC because he said that he was getting close to getting an interview with someone. I WANT Larry’s story to be investigated, and found out one way or the other. I consider that “enabling”, not “supporting”.

    I DO NOT BELIEVE Larry. I gave him the benefit of the doubt until his FIRST DC visit, not the NPC visit, and I DID NOT contribute to Larry’s NPC trip (you have not accused me of this, but I want to make it clear, it was his FIRST TRIP to DC that I contributed too, and that was when Larry was saying that he was close to getting an interview, call me an idiot for believing him, I DESERVE THAT).

    You continue:

    “And the comments that I selected were NOT edited, but have it your way, here are ALL the comments you posted at Larry’s… for someone who has never been a Larry supporter, you certainly had a lot to say. I will admit towards the end you had had it with Larry’s antics, and at the beginning you did say you were sitting on the fence. I will grant you that.”

    So what’s the point Meesh? You ADMIT that I was “on the fence” and that in the end I “had had it with Larry’s antics”, so you are suggesting that in between those times I was a “supporter”? I beg to differ.

    As far as my comments being “edited”, they are, they are taken out of context, and placed in where you believe they do YOU the most good. The WHOLE of the comment CAN NOT be detected by the comments as you post them.

    Why? Well because the comments that I am replying too aren’t included.

    I call that “editing”, you call it whatever you want. The comments you post are taken out of context because they do not include the whole “back and forth”.

    This also gets me:

    “for someone who has never been a Larry supporter, you certainly had a lot to say.”

    So what? what’s that got to do with me “supporting” Larry?

    Who knows what would have happened with me and the regulator if I had read Democratista’s comments to me when I was there that day when I got banned? Maybe I’d be a regular there now too. Just because I comment at a site, does not mean I agree with them, or “support” them.

    And then you comment this:

    “We noticed you emerged at BHDC as Interested Bystander and not Art. We only put two and two together when you in fact posted at The Regulator, your avatar confirmed you were in fact the same Art who once posted at Larry’s. The same posting email address follows you, wherever you go.”

    Do you notice my ID, “Interested Bystander”? I came up with that because that’s what I was, and that’s what I still am.

    Next you comment this:

    “Why you have been such a concern to us at The Regulator, it’s because of your constant attacks of the Regulator and M&N and also directed towards the posters they escalated to a degree that either we ignore you completely or prove you wrong by exposing you, for what you are, you are a troublemaker.”

    You have NOT ONCE proven me wrong. What you people do, is TRY to intimidate by putting out stuff about ME, and not addressing the things I bring up about the regulator and M&N doing the same thing Larry does.

    That’s the probelm I have with the regulator. You do the same thing as Larry does.

    And just in case people want to read what I wrote, and the “pissing match” between ZeN and myself at Obambi, here’s the thread:

    http://obambi.wordpress.com/2009/05/16/thebook/

    And Meesh, if I’m a “troublemaker” for showing you to be what you are, then so be it, a “troublemaker” I am.

    After posting what you claim is ALL of my comments made at Larry’s site (is that all of the over 250 comments? I only count about 75 comments, and YOU commented in the thread at the regulator that I had made OVER 250 comments, your words Meesh, not mine)

    Then you comment this:

    “These posts made by you have NOT been edited, but you will do the same as Larry and you will deny ever posting any of this, I have you pegged, don’t bother.”

    You can post that they aren’t “edited”, but they are DEFINATELY taken out of context because you have not put the comments I am responding too, or the comments made on the thread I am commenting on. Call it whatever you want, I call it EDITING when you post PART of what I am commenting on.

    But Meesh, how’s this;

    I MADE THOSE COMMENTS

    And if I may add, in NOT ONE of those comments do I comment “I support Larry”.

    You conclude with this:

    “By the way, is there any blog out there that you are welcomed as a poster, you seem to be argumentative and condescending to many of the other posters wherever you go. I would make a point of brushing up on your social and proper “netiquetting” skills…….. just saying.”

    For your information, I don’t visit many blogs, and I post on even fewer.

    And the regulator is the ONLY blog that I have been BANNED from.

    I am a courteous commenter.

    KStreet even “likes” me (that should tell you SOMETHING), and Democratista and I have had courteous back and forths, and even on the “Greta” forum, Bandita seemed to take a liking to me.

    YOUR problem is that I have “caught” the regulator doing the same thing as Larry does, and you HATE that.

    There’s plenty of proof of that in the Obambi link.

    I have believed all along that the regulator would have had some credibility if they would just stick to the FACTS. Heck, I may have even “supported” you if you would have only kept to the FACTS.

    The sad FACT is, the regulator isn’t able to do that.

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  8. Well, once again IB, your criticism is thick and heavily ladened with dispute over minutia and “nit picking”. Yet you appear to be extremely “thin skinned. My comment was referring to “The Regulator”. You are welcomed to comment here as long as you or anyonelese, from this point forward, cease with the ad hominems and in you case IB, the hysteria.

    I have to make something clear here, your defense of Larry’s most aggregious acts, in my mind, is appalling, but you have the right to your opinion.

    Hoever, I believe it speaks volumes about a person who would overlook that a person such as Larry Sinclair would try TWO times to invoke Sasha and Malia Obama into his mess and all you can tell us is that it was SASHA, not Malia. Have you any children of your own IB?

    Would YOU want some hardened criminal, liar and grifter (not ad hominems, they are a proven fact ON THE PUBLIC RECORD) soliciting your 8 and 11 year old girls to read his book or ASK why someone doesn’t write to them about their father’s [alleged] sexual and drug misconduct?

    IB you wrote something above that I need to quote:

    You see, when someone makes an allegation or accusation, I don’t feel it is my responsibility to “research” for myself. The allegation or accusation should be researched by the person making the statement.

    Yet you do not apply that logic when it comes to Larry Sinclair and his accusations. You and others constantly insist (paraphrasing) that all Obama has to do is to answer the allegations or file a cease and desist order about the book…and so forth.

    Larry Sinclair made the accusation. Larry Sinclair has to prove the allegation. Thusfar, he has not done so. He will never do so. He is a scam artist and his latest scam to raise money is this so called election fiasco.

    You’re on the wrong side of a lot of issues IB. Perhaps instead of knee jerk reactions to a lot of things said about Sinclair, you might want to take a step back and ask yourself, what has he sucessfully proven to the world, regarding his allegations about Obama? Why is everything about “raising money” when it comes to Sinclair, with no clear agenda, just ruses to make people who already hate Obama contribute to his “causes”, which inevitably result in EPIC FAIL?

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  9. IB with regard to The Regulator and M&N, I am and will always be a staunch supporter and contributor to said blogs.

    Once again, IB, understand that blogs are mainly about opinions. They are not news organizations that MUST SHOULD adhere to some simblance of objective reporting.

    Blogs will have opinions that are extremely distasteful to some and very pleasant to read by others. The point is, this is the internet! There are millions of places to go that adhere to your particular mindset. Stop being so hard on others who don’t agree with you IB. We’re all here to shine an EXTREMELY bright light on LARRY SINCLAIR’S criminal activities and lies. Anything else, in my opinion is superfluous.

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  10. Let me state that YOU can’t even be “respectful” to others. Where is “Larry Wells’” blog? Would that be Citizen Wells? Why is it that you and others feel it necessary to use people’s REAL names when they post using another name? I have never understood that. Is it an intimidation tactic that you learned from Larry?

    You know IB, that is a pathetic statement. As much as I have been victimized by that “real name” thing you ASSume that I got from Sinclair, the truth is I honestly could NOT REMEMBER the name of his stinking blog. Nothing more, nothing less.

    Having said that, at my age chit like that happens, and for you to “go there” about real names, after the bullshit I have taken from Sinclair, I would rather you NOT comment on my blog any more. THAT is a personal decision based on your last statement. You just crossed the line IB. To even think that I would stoop to Sinclair’s level is nauseating and unacceptable. THIS TIME ITS PERSONAL IB… You are NOT welcomed here, after all. “Buh Bye”.

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  11. KStreet,

    I know this won’t be posted, but I KNOW you will read it.

    Did you write this over on the KPBS site?

    “A telling indication of Sinclair’s intimidation tactics is to always post people’s full names and locations on the web and in his books. He really hopes that one of his supporters might find one of these people and perhaps do some harm to them. After all, what is the purpose of putting someone’s name and location (and sometimes complete addresses) out there, just because that person disagrees with his statements?”

    Didn’t you do the same in your comment about Citizen Wells?

    You are just upset because I pointed out your hypocrisy.

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    1. Let me make something perfectly clear to you IB…I told you that I could not remember the name of his web site. I have gone there a couple of times over a year ago. Wells is too far right of center for me to even entertain the idea of visiting his blog. I used the term “Goofy” because that’s what we call him, but decided not to, and used his real name instead. Wells has had websites advertising his Real Estate Business in NC as well as bigfoot websites with his full name in view.

      I think I explained to you though, that at my age one honestly forgets. YOU on the otherhand still insist that I did that purposely. I see there is no middle ground with you IB. I am wondering if there is a name for the mental illness you manifest when “confronting” people. I always said that Sinclair’s supporters were as dumb, blind, and stupid as he is, hence the old adage: “Birds of a feather….”

      Once again, you are no longer welcomed here IB. I will be banning you from my site in a few minutes.

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      1. KStreet,

        I am sorry I upset you.

        You are a person I respect and admire.

        You have more integrity in your pinky than Larry has ever had.

        I’m sorry you feel the need to ban me, but it’s your blog, and you need to do what you think you need to do.

        Thanks for letting me post.

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  12. KStreet,

    I’d also like to point out that I HAVE NOT done this:

    “I have to make something clear here, your defense of Larry’s most aggregious acts, in my mind, is appalling, but you have the right to your opinion.”

    I’m not defending Larry’s actions (I agree with you, they are out of line, completely out of line).

    I point out that what people comment are NOT what Larry said or did. If that’s defending Larry, then we have differing opinions on what defending is.

    Look Larry is a liar, and a con artist, and has a criminal background. He has not proven ANYTHING happened with Obama. I do not believe anything happened. I believe Larry is lying.

    I HAVE asked Larry for evidence, just read my comments that Meesh posted above.

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  13. Interested Bystander,

    To me, the *pissing match* between you and Pete is when another moderator addresses a poster of his/her comportment on the blog, at which point the other moderators back off , in reality we had 3 moderators that day… Pete, ZeN and myself.

    Initially ZeN addressed you as did I and then Pete took over.

    Pete says:
    February 5, 2009 at 12:42 pm
    IB-
    Your first comment here was totally confrontational and condescending, so someone telling you to shove it shouldn’t be so surprising. At least you managed to hold back on the ‘messiah’ references, although you did feel the need to say ‘your beloved Obama’ and referring to Obama ‘ruling’ us like some dictator or monarch. Give me a fucking break. So when people call you out, you have to backpedal and say “I thought this blog was receptive to dissenting views, but with Gilligan’s comment…..”
    Puhllleeeze. If you’ve been reading this site as you say it should be clear that if someone makes a dissenting opinion without being a total ass about it, nobody jumps down their back, but don’t pretend like you came in here all nice just looking for a friendly debate.
    Even when you are trying to pretend to play nice, you have to make another jab – “(I know I’m thinking, and that seems to be a problem).”
    So, pretty much as far as I’m concerned, if you can’t drop the petty bullshit and thinly veiled derision of our members you can take a hike. We had enough of that shit with Gumby.

    The thread in question when you popped in, I believe to stir the pot was here… http://theregulator.net/?p=2653#comment-16656
    The on blog and also off blog discussions were between you and Pete, the final decision on how to deal with you, was up to Pete. You were the one that kept mentioning that you had been banned at The Regulator, you said it at Obambi’s in May and I assumed you had been this is why I said the reason you had been banned.

    “What in fact caused you to get banned at The Regulator, was your “so called” debating was confrontational with some other posters and also off topic.”

    Mea culpa, I ASSumed you had been banned.

    Once again in August at Gretawire, you mentioned being banned at The Regulator to Bandita or to someone there.
    ZeN and I double-checked and we discovered Pete had NOT banned you in February, yet Pete placed you in moderation, there’s a difference.

    Pete posted your *first name* at The Regulator and not your email address, OK if this is what you say, then I will give you the benefit of the doubt, because this comment made by Pete was deleted by him, as well as your response, I thought it was your email address.

    I did ask Pete at the time, what had occurred to cause this hoopla, between the both of you; I had noticed comments disappearing on the thread.
    And Pete told me he sent you an email and he was handling it.

    I think you’re beating this to a pulp.

    “Look Meesh, I do not think Larry should have posted the video. DO YOU GET THAT?”

    and this

    “It was a STUPID thing for Larry to do either way.”

    I do get it now, Interested Bystander and that’s a relief to know, you were merely nit picking on LTL’s choice of words, when expressing his/her revulsion of Larry’s actions when posting the video in question.
    Bottom line we all agree it was sad attempt on Larry’s part to get the attention he thrives.

    I am a courteous commenter.

    Yes, you can be Interested Bystander, I must admit I have noticed this, but it’s when you start nit picking and being confrontational this is when a thread derails, other posters feel uncomfortable posting in this type of setting.
    We try to cater to *all posters* by trying to provide a comfortable atmosphere, we look closer to determine what factor is causing others to feel uncomfortable, and on February 5th I believe your intent in dropping in was not amicable on your part.

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    1. Meesh thank you for saying so clearly what I tried to say, but my anger took over. Anger is the wind that blows out the lamp of intelligent discourse. (Paraphrased)

      In the early days of the Sinclair fiasco, debating with IB was tolerable. In fact I honestly liked the man then.

      However, his increasing anger and use of ad hominem attacks has left me extremely aggitated, especially when he admits that Sinclair has done many things to intimidate some of us at The Regulator, and then turns around and calls us hypocrites, etc.

      Anyway, as I said before, I prefer to eliminate stress and chaos in my life and if that means on this blog as well, so be it.

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      1. KStreet,
        When Interested Bystander called you out as a hypocrite when you referred to CW by his name, he could not have been more wrong about you.

        On the contrary, you have defended many unwelcome guests at M&N and at The Regulator, and this includes Interested Bystander. I’ve admired how you look beyond what some posters have expressed when criticizing these guests, you’ve always pointed out any good that you may have spotted, and you have never been afraid to express it openly, in their defense.

        Never change KStreet, I find this remarkable in a human being!

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      2. Also, as a moderator of all the M&N blogs and at The Regulator, you KStreet have made this task or job very pleasant, in fact a treat!

        I am certain at many other blogs other moderators feel the same about you!

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      3. Meesh,

        You are right, I was WRONG for posting that comment.

        KStreet is a woman of strength and integrity.

        I have been rightfully “spanked” for posting such a comment.

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  14. A tip to you, Interested Bystander avoid these *shopping cart filled* comments, you know the ones you often post, containing numerous points, questions and so forth… If you limit it to one or 2 points per comment, I am certain you will be received in a better light.

    You will not appear to be as condescending or on some mission to derail.

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      1. Interested Bystander,

        KStreet has the perfect setting here, to reply each and individual comments as they are posted.

        All the best!

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  15. IB Has apologized to me and tells Meesh that he will try to follow her advise. This seems like grounds enough for me to say that Larry Sinclair has always been a volatile issue on most blogs in which he appears or the comments about him appear. I will not say that no one can comment on him, but it does generate a lot of ire and sometimes worse. Thats what happens IMO, when one has a discourse about pure evil.

    May I reccommend to all that since there are a lot of things going on out there in the real world that we can discuss, this post or this, or even this one. How about this one? :)

    At any rate, have a good evening and a better tomorrow all.

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    1. KStreet,

      Thanks for letting my comments through. My comments were disrespectful and definately unnecessary. I sincerly apologize for that.

      I will respect that this is YOUR blog.

      You sure know how to humble someone.

      THAT’s why I like you so much.

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      1. KStreet and Interested Bystander,

        It’s very nice to see you have resolved your differences, I have admired in the past while viewing your comments at BHDC the respect you both had for each other, even though you were both on different sides of the political spectrum. The debates have always been stimulating as they should be.
        This goes for democratista’s and jay’s participation at BHDC as well…

        The Regulator and M&N have never been intended to be political sites, although Larry has often claimed we are (were) pro-Obama sites, he has done this purposely to draw in more supporters, and this of course work$$$ for him.

        We do have many democrats, some republicans and also politically uncommitted posters; this is why we have discouraged the poignant political debates on our sites.

        We are in fact anti-Larry sites and basically making fun of all the loony conspiracy theorists surrounding the President and or his administration.

        I’m so happy KStreet you decided to start-up this site as perhaps an extension, on what we lack; peace out!

        And now I will end my comment as you often do at The Regulator; “CARRY ON” :)

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  16. when he allows the spending of over 3/4 of a TRILLION dollars to “stimulate” the economy (how’s THAT working out for us with unemployment at a 26 year high at 10.2%??????), or how he says during the campaign that he will allow bills to sit on his desk for 5 days before signing them, and then breaks that promise in the first month in office, or that he said he would go “line by line” on any budget legislation to cut out “earmarks”, and then allows 8,000 earmarks in the Omnibus spending bill (which cost us another 410 BILLION dollars), or the fact that he has allowed the Treasury to take over banks, financial institutions, and the auto industry making them DEPENDENT on the Government, or that he went on his “American Apology” tour of Europe, or that he sat in attendance while Ortega gave a scathing speech about how the US is the reason for all of the ills of the world, or that he accepted a book from Hugo and had that photo op with him during his vacation in Trinidad, or how he talks a good game about listening to “the other side”, but I’ve yet to hear of him actually sitting down with those that oppose his policies, or that he holds up his little fingers like he’s holding a “tea bag” and talked down to those who actually have a differing view than he does about the direction of our Country, or the FACT that he said that the health care debate would be streamed on the internet or televised on CSPAN, and then makes a back room deal in secret with drug manufacturers, or that he stood in front of a joint session of Congress touting “his plan” on health care when I can’t find “his” plan ANYWHERE in writting.

    IB — Every single thing you list is misinformation, a half-truth or baffling as to why you think it’s bad. I’m gathering you get your news from rightwing websites, radio and TV.

    1. If by spending you are talking about the stimulus, only half the money has been spent so far. The balance will go to help small businesses and to create jobs.

    2. As for the omnibus bill (commonly known as the budget), the one President Obama signed was the one left over from the Bush administration — 1/2009 was a little late in the game to send the 2009 budget back to Congress to rework. If President Obama does not fulfill his promise re earmarks on next year’s budget, then you can complain.

    3. Yes, the Treasury bailed out the largest manufacturing sector in the country and the largest banks with loans of taxpayer money (with strings attached). Bush approved the bank bailout and Obama allowed it to continue. I gather you are part of the group that thinks he should have just let the banks fail and the auto industry too. How would the unemployment figures have looked then?

    4. President Obama said in his campaign he would restore our standing in the world. He has done that. Not sure why that pisses the rightwing off so much.

    5. President Obama has called Republican leaders into the White House to discuss issues. He has also had conservative media people in for lunch.

    6. Don’t know what you are talking about regarding the teabag gesture so I’ll tell you what I think. The un-Patriotic, anti-American teabaggers have called our President Hitler, have compared his administration to the Holocaust, health care reform to mass murder, called the Speaker of the House a Nazi. Are you suggesting they have their panties in a bunch because they think the President is disrespecting them? Respect has to be earned and acting like damn fools is no way to earn it.

    7. The healthcare debate has been on C-Span all along. If the Big Pharma deal was so secret, how come everyone knows about it?

    8. President Obama’s healthcare plan is not a bill, it is a goal. He has laid out what he wants to accomplish and left it up to the lawmaking branch of the government to write the bill. That’s the constitutional way to do things in America.

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